http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbjhs_bsyjg&feature=channel_page.
Thanks for sharing the video. It brought a smile to my face.
I have not noticed before the scripture in Acts 7:59 where Stephen prayed to Jesus. How does the WT explain this?
Isn't it amazing that, as a JW we could read scriptures and just not see what they said?
the recent internet phenomenon seems to be that 1. some news story breaks, and then 2. people start talking about it and twittering and forwarding emails about it.
and then it multiplies and multiplies until finally, 3. the whole world is talking about it.
the same with the madoff scheme.
I think chances are good the WT will be around for a long time. The question is, in what form? It is facing attack on several fronts right now. More likely will follow. Over time that will change the nature of the organization and how it operates.
Many factors play into the situation, including the internet, ex-members and their activities, governments taking action against abuses they see, economic factors, and changes in the publishing business, to name a few. Just like Rome didn't fall in a day or for a single reason, the WT won't either. IMO they are too big, too wealthy, and have been aroung too long to disappear any time soon.
That doesn't bother me though. In fact it may be for the best because many followers won't be in a position to cope successfully with the demise of the WT, and those people have been hurt too much by them already anyway. I don't want to see a bunch of suicides of people who can't face the truth about "the truth".
The WT's existence is not a problem for me. The damage they do to their followers and the greater world community is. That is what needs to change as far as I'm concerned. Over time, that can and hopefully will happen.
let's try this again...most of us are aware that all available evidence points to the time of jerusalem's destruction at the 586/7bc time frame.
overwhelming evidence includes astronomical phenomena, achaeological evidence, bank records, the bible itself.. some hold to 607bc, for obvious reasons- the implications it has.
thoughts on how this would effect the average witness if forced to conclude 607 is wrong?
Most JWs believe what they do because the WT uses manipulation and mind control techniques on them. The WT could tell them that the moon was made of green cheese and they would believe it. Anyone remember the CO who used to hold up his black bible at CAs and say, "if the FDS told me this bible was white, I'd say it was white"?
I think if confronted with proof the society was wrong many would say, "The brothers know more than we do about this. Even though it looks to me like they are wrong, they have people studying this back in Brooklyn who have it all figured out and would be able to explain why they are right."
what's with the damn media panic?
swine flu is gonna wipe out the world!.....like the witnesses i'm tired of these lies, sars and bird flu were not that huge....a year ago a scientist said birdflu would be the next "spanish influenza" killing millions......hello, i'm still here wearing a gas mask!.
lets all panic the friggin world so they forget the economy!!!!!!
From what I understand, it's too soon to tell if this will be a major pandemic or not. It's not too soon to know that the WT will exploit it for everything it's worth. Prepare to hear about how it's "proof" that now Armageddon is closer than ever!
i hope all reading this will consider the following a commentary.
i have no one in mind, but a few posts have got me thinking about my own jw experience.
also, reading of the bad experiences and pain of others here gives me much room to pause.. clearly, most of us, with good reason, hate jehovah's witnesses (the religion, and sometimes, the people).
I try to separate the people from the organization. I think everyone associated with the WT is a victim of it. Even the current members of the GB (and I have a lot of mixed feelings about them) came into this thing after it was already a dangerous and abusive cult.
The org has become a kind of monster, transcending the people who are part of it. Sometimes I wonder if that is a type of demon.
in reading witnessoo7 thread, i wondered this.. if two names are announced as df'd, even though the df might be for separate infractions, aren't people going to "assume" that the reason is because of some immoral association between the two people announced?.
if more than one name is announced as df'd at a meeting, is it not suspect that all names mentioned are in cahoots of "associated sin" ?.
has it ever happened in your hall where two names were announced as df'd and people assumed they had "sinned together" and it turned out to be df'd for 2 non-related "sins"?.
HintofLime,
LOL! A classic JW experience! You quit going to the meetings and instantly fell into a life of debauchery and sin!
What would they do without these fantasies about ex-JW life? They might be tempted to quit themselves, that's what. IMO they are secretly jealous and resentful.
this morning in the field ministry a brother in our car group was talking about wicked people.
i asked him what he thinks of when he says "wicked people.
" (i am working undercover) he said, "those that don't worship jehovah.".
Excellent point Cameo-d! This scripture is the perfect response.
german comdedian oliver pocher has been raised as jw as he frankly declares.
in his current tv show he uses the story of lot and his daughters and uses his nwt.
he also uses some of the typical jw phrases like inviting the audience to use their own bibles.. starts at 8min10 here:.
Good for him that he can make jokes about his JW upbringing. As the saying goes, laughter is the best medicine.
man....my older sis came over to help me out with an apron i'm trying to sew.
i told her i was gonna set her up a facebook account and she freaked out on me!
almost like an anxiety attack.
Wow! They really are taught to be paranoid aren't they?
this morning in the field ministry a brother in our car group was talking about wicked people.
i asked him what he thinks of when he says "wicked people.
" (i am working undercover) he said, "those that don't worship jehovah.".
I think avishai makes a good point. You can just say, "I'm glad that I don't have to be the one that judges people's hearts" and leave it at that.
